leolion_1 (leolion_1) wrote,
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cурковская пропаганда берет население Великобритании в заложники

via постоянный корреспондент в Великобритании oslik_evev

Комментарии оболваненных под катом, их предваряет пост Кати, суммирующий ее наблюдения о реакции западной прессы и ее читателей

Почитала вчера Шпигель. Куда мягче чем британская пресса.
И да, Сноудон переломил общественное мнение. Хотя конечно никто оккупацию Крыма не поддерживает (как прецендент), - но санкционировать Россию тоже никто особо не хочет. Вообще я так полумала что от Еропейских стран как то непропорционально мало осуждения.

Британская пресса истерит, но как то непостоянно. Иногда пропускает что, или например позволяет пропускать комментарии, но потом видимо получает втык от Вашингтона, и снова истерит. Истерят и министры с использованием американских выражений costs. Стоки с russian exposure из за этого сильно колбасит. Комментарии под статьями в подавляющем большинстве анти-американские. Подавляющие - это значит первые 500 best rated (что прилично). Что абсолютно противоречит духу статей.

И если до визита Яценюка в Белый Дом у кого то еще были иллюзии о том кто master-minded переворот - то теперь таких иллюзий в UK не осталось ни у кого.

Смысл в том, что расплачиваться за что произошло в Украине придется Европе. (Цена на газ взлетить не только для украинсцев). И если на Россию наложить санкции, то Европа снова впадет в Рецессию.
Т.е. фактически это imperial building exercise - направлено против Европы не меньше чем против России



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5. Bill
54 MINUTES AGO
The US approach to diplomacy starts with the premise that they are always right.

REPORT THIS COMMENT (COMMENT NUMBER 5)
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Comment number 20. SurvivalOfTheFickest
47 MINUTES AGO
Goog job BBC you found this anti-Russian couple with a cute kid, whom feature in no less than 3 of your reports.



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Comment number 25. Ratty
45 MINUTES AGO
Putin invades a country and there is little actual bloodshed. Bush invades a country and 100,000 people die.

Not saying either is right, but you've got to agree which one is the better of two evils.

I just hope it all gets resolved peacefully and to the satisfaction of the people who actually live there.



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Comment number 9. Cheddy
51 MINUTES AGO
So US rejects diplomatic solutions and democracy. Not a single media is willing to say Crimea isn't pro-Russia, why on earth would they reject a referendum before it's taken place? Maybe they are what we've always said they are.
Kerry, your actions in Iraq, Libya, Afgan, Syria had made talking to you very difficult, go home.



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Comment number 2. PragueImp
56 MINUTES AGO
This has nothing to do with the USA. They really need to stay out of it: their foreign policy has been so flawed in recent years and they are no match for Russia.
This is an EU problem - the EU tried to lure Ukraine away from Russia with a trade deal.



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Comment number 26. clive
44 MINUTES AGO
The west has interevened in the Ukraine to overthrow a legitimate elected government and replace it with a pro-western mob. Now they say that the Crimea, which in reality is and always has been Russian should just bow down and accept the new order e.g., proxy western rule, Putin is right to resist.



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Comment number 39. sambururob
41 MINUTES AGO
Jaw-jaw better than war-war. When will the U.S. learn?
Meanwhile Cameron cannot see the hypocrisy that a referendum is okay for Scotland or Europe but not for Crimea.



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Comment number 17. Brontus_Horace
47 MINUTES AGO
Did the Russians interfere in Northern Ireland, or the Falklands? I don't think so. And what did the Americans do? I don't remember them helping during the Falklands conflict, and I distinctly remember that they had their fingers in the NI pie but not where we would have wanted them. So I say USA keep out. Above all UK can not afford more military adventures or to start an unnecessary world war.



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Comment number 92. PD
27 MINUTES AGO
In 12months there will be rioting back on the streets in Kiev against IMF and EU/ USA enforced austerity measures and loss of sovereignty.
The media will then report them as right wing extremists and anarchists, trying to subvert law and order, and democracy.
The narrative the media portrays is adjusted to western government and corporate interests.



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Comment number 93. British Imperial
27 MINUTES AGO
One of the reasons the referendum is supposedly illegal is because it requires all of the Ukraine to have a vote on Crimea's future. So why is Crimea holding a referendum and keeping the Ukraine out of it wrong, but Scotland having a referendum without England, Wales and Northern Ireland is perfectly fine?



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Comment number 10. specialburger
50 MINUTES AGO
Putin, good job Sir. Keep these EU and Americans on their toes, they have been allowed to get away with murder for years saying that it is for the good of the people in whatever country they are bombing at that time.



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Comment number 89. cageman86
28 MINUTES AGO
Kerry, HOW ON EARTH can you NOT talk to Putin... Get on a plane and go and sit down with Putin, its this kind of stupidity that causes a war to start, all he has to do is sit down with him, but he wont, idiot! If we go to war with Russia is will be NOBODY BUT Obama & Kerrys fault for their handling of this situations, its been shocking!



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Comment number 95. Shaunie Babes
26 MINUTES AGO
"Votes taken when occupied by foreign troops are illegal " - John Kerry

You couldn't make this up.



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Comment number 23. seront
46 MINUTES AGO
It is strange that the US and their poodle the UK should make demands on any other country. Kerry and Hague, the massive hypocrites, preach one thing for other countries and ignore their own adventures. Has K and H never heard of Iraq, Grenada, regime change in Libya. Given their history there is an argument their 'services' were 'encouraging' the unrest. Beware taking the moral high ground.


Comment number 19. Goves Silly Temper Tantrum
47 MINUTES AGO
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Comment number 48. British Imperial
39 MINUTES AGO
John Kerry: The United States of America will not enter into negotiations until you have given us everything we want.

Who needs negotiations?



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Comment number 73. muzzymido
45 MINUTES AGO
To be fair, ourselves and the Americans are experts in illegal wars and invasions.



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Comment number 94. Political
27 MINUTES AGO
'John Kerry rejects Vladimir Putin meeting'

This is typical infantile foot stamping US politics when they cannot get their own way.
They funded the overthrow of an elected leader in Ukraine by by paying gangs of thugs to organise riots and shootings of civilians to install an unelected puppet leader .

There seems to be a massive propaganda and misrepresentation of the facts by western media...



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Comment number 84. andy helgesen
29 MINUTES AGO
Still trying to fathom out why everyone must do things the USA's way
Also the BBC article which makes out Crimea is now lawless just didn't make sense the Russians interview said they were safe.
Perhaps 30 years ago people would have swallowed the article as being true now luckily there are other news media.

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Comment number 122. iplaybass
21 MINUTES AGO
Terrorism in this World could be cut at a stroke! All that needs to happen is for the US to keep their noses out of others peoples business!!!!
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